Luciano de Noeme Imoto:
To Tarin, Trent, Daniel Ingram and all fellows here,
About that precipitated – and promptly public domain - effort to launch actualism in another tongue in 2009, my first error was a bad translation. My English may not be as good as yours because I speak three languages. I write a little because my poor grammar skills and lack of conversation. So, no possibility to engage in some voice talking like Skype without subtitles and a lot of on-line dictionaries consults.
No excuses. My faults.
My second error was that “jumping-in boots and all” previous enthusiasm.
And the next error was permit AFT website assume copyright over my writings (and especially my writings on a public mailing list) and, what makes this even worse, had anonymized my name on it. This is improper too. But I´m a cool guy and don´t bother.
the af trust makes anonymous by default the identities of all those who engage in correspondence with richard and other trust members in order to protect their privacy; were you to have bothered asking them to publish your name (like, say, konrad swart or jayahn saward did), they would surely have done so. as you wrote, however: you didn't bother. as any comparison between this alleged impropriety of theirs and the blatant impropriety of plagiarising, 'translating' (interpolating), and offering up for sale their copyrighted work (with their copyright removed and your own copyright added) that you have perpetrated can only be a product of bizarre reasoning or, more likely, plain dishonesty, then needless is it to ask: pointing fingers much?
Luciano de Noeme Imoto:
The aim was to care, to share information and actualized/updated data, investigations, researches and observations to compare notes and “spread the word”.
Fortunately, since that event and our public correspondences, some posterior non-fixed inconsistencies opened my eyes.
as you insisted, by virtue of your 'translation' (which purpose you here purport was 'to care' and 'to share information and actualized/updated data'), that 'violence and bitterness' are more adequate descriptors of what the af trust determined to be 'malice and sorrow'[1], then what you really mean by 'actualized/updated data' is 'altered data'. however, altering the data in this fashion was nothing new for you; the previous year, you wrote to another online forum the following[2]:
Luciano de Noeme Imoto:
‘... para nos libertar dos condicionamentos do ‘ego’ gerado pela paixões instintivas animais e da ‘psiquê’ gerada pela sociedade que precisa dar uma identidade uma persona, uma máscara, à esta entidade alienígena no corpo’.
translation:
‘... to free ourselves of the conditionings of ‘ego’ generated by the animal instinctive passions and from the ‘psyche’ generated by society that needs to give an identity, a persona, a mask, to the entity alien in the body’.
as this misconception you held as early as two years ago (which richard last year attempted to correct[5]) you, only last week, demonstrated once more (earlier in this thread):
Luciano de Noeme Imoto:
[Richard's] experiential method, the Actualism, require Determination, Dedication, Pure Intent, and Perseverance to dismantle the Social Identity, causing a mutation of consciousness
...then it may be a stretch to say that your eyes are open... they certainly aren't open wide enough to properly read what others have written, at any rate.
the alternative explanation, of course, is that the misunderstanding is no misunderstanding at all, and that you deliberately intend to distort the meaning of what an actual freedom from the human condition is by watering down such to mean merely the '[dismantlement of] the social identity'. this would not be surprising, as such watering down is precisely what you have accused the actually free members of this forum of[3]... needless is it to ask: projection much?
Luciano de Noeme Imoto:
the dho is not the actual freedom yahoo list, and as most participants here are not participants there they cannot be expected to read through the hundreds of emails you have written there over the past two years under multiple aliases to determine what experience of actualism you have actually had that supports the ostentatious and outrageous claims you have made here (affecting the discourse on this site). to now point (and for the first time) those who ask after your practical experience in that vague general direction (of a sprawling list of now more than ten thousand emails) is churlish... and is the behaviour of someone lacking any record of experience to point directly at.
while there is no rule on the dho dictating that one must post one's practical experience in order to participate (there is no established custom of requiring it), it is expected that one is able and willing to back up the claims and statements one makes, especially when requested to, for the sake of keeping the discourse here focused and high-level. the emphasis on direct experience valued here is made clear on this website's front page and was specifically pointed out to you by another member within the first month of your registration[4].
Luciano de Noeme Imoto:
Back to the here-now place and moment subject, my goal is not to promote Dharma, cultist movements or to send my fellows to meditation$ center$ and their dissociative practices and hard-core freak merchandising. And taking this opportunity to alert the Convivialists on duty: package tour$ in any ship is out of the question too.
coming from someone who was all-too-willing to plagiarise the writings of his fellows (without first even understanding them), translate them so poorly (as to alter their meaning), remove their copyright (and insert his own), and offer them to an unsuspecting public for sale (with all proceeds going into his own pocket), your attempt to project onto others your fantasies of money-making $chemes is as glaringly transparent as your attempt to distance yourself from those fantasies.
Luciano de Noeme Imoto:
The AF claimants and some people here really believe in their practices and will find any way, or do any thing, that will validate what they do. Except, of course, rethink their claims.
Or they are just in denial. I really don’t know.
what the actually free people here understand and fully acknowledge is how 'their' practice of the actualism method enabled (in 'them') the actualism process to take place and to culminate in 'their' extirpation (and so to result in the extinction of 'their' instinctual passions - that is, the instinctual passions in toto).
the only one here in denial of anything is you, and what you are denial of is that richard's actual freedom was a result of his efforts and intent (and not a 'randomic brain mutation' as you have wildly speculated[6]) and that anyone besides richard (or u.g. krishnamurti, or bernadette roberts, or whomever[7]) can become actually free without undergoing that 'randomic brain mutation'. this is to say: you are in denial that anyone can become actually free due to their efforts and intent.
this is because 'you' do not understand that 'you' are what's in the way of the actual world being experienced as already the case ... nor do 'you' understand that 'you' are the key for enabling that (such experience) to occur.
Luciano de Noeme Imoto:
Whatever the criticisms, I remain on friendly terms with all well-minded people here. Although I don’t want to become part of their “networking”, which seem to me an increasing mutual admiration society in which everyone’s claiming one supposed - and yet to be proved - AF achievement are accepted uncritically.
contrary to this fantasy of yours, there is no mutual admiration society of actually free people at the dho, nor have i accepted anyone's claim of actual freedom here uncritically (i have been thoroughly critical). as for what others accept or do not, that is their decision to make, and i only see fit to write a response to their public thoughts when i see some benefit in doing so, or when it would clearly be a detriment to not respond (such as when someone with a poor understanding of actualism repeatedly contributes their pseudo-authoritative distortions and theories of intrigue to thread after thread, derailing sensible discourse).
Luciano de Noeme Imoto:
Again, I detected some disparities, contradictions and paroxysmals and still detecting new ones each time I read their dismissive and each time less commomsensical posts here.
as you do not substantiate these claims of disparity, contradiction, and paroxysm any whatsoever there is nothing i can respond to, and given the context in which you have made those claims, i cannot but assume that you have imagined them similar to how you have clearly imagined much everything else you've recently written.
Luciano de Noeme Imoto:
Recently I also discovered some confidential informations about Mr. Richard (surname withheld) that show me another more pragmatical direct route to my own journey.
Freedom of choice is the key.
this part is just too absurd for words.
Luciano de Noeme Imoto:
Compared to another newbie members here, I´m more than 2 years ahead in this researches and probably you will arrive in the same conclusions of mine after continuous observations and deep reading (also called “slow reading”).
hmm.. that would be better called 'perpetual mis-reading'. for your two years of reading (and 400+ emails/posts of writing), you have apparently understood little about actualism; i can only conclude that the two years spent reading were not two years also spent practising the method advocated.
Luciano de Noeme Imoto:
Are you ingenious or ingenuous? Be careful which you use to investigate AF stuff and the actualism practice/process.
it takes both a degree of ingeniuity (inventiveness, originality) and ingenuousness (lacking in cunning, artlessness) to succeed at the actualism practice. by lacking the latter, you close the door on yourself to the simple wonder of what it is to be here; to the stillness of being alive, here and now, and the intimacy in the world that is always apparent.
Luciano de Noeme Imoto:
Only recently I agreed with a conclusion from a fellow blogger:
That seeking of "perfection" is due to an inability to bear the normal psychological pushes and pulls of life. It is an escape mechanism.
what actualism offers is indeed an escape; it is an escape from malice and sorrow, and from their needless perpetuation, into a perfection that is actual, here and now.
Luciano de Noeme Imoto:
Today I know - by experiential and intellectual ways and some serendipitous discoveries and fortuitous assistances along this researches - that AF website content and its statements is the masterpiece of a single writer.
whatever your 'experiential and intellectual ways' and 'serendipitous discoveries' were, and whatever 'fortuitous assistances' you received along your 'research' were, clearly all did not amount to much, as the one thing you tout those things as having led you to 'knowledge' of - that the af website content and its statements is the masterpiece of a single writer - is just so utterly untrue that i cannot even begin to guess how you came to this absurd conclusion.
so it is clear, i have actually met richard, as well as peter and vineeto - the other two writers of the af trust website (as well as another member of the trust); i have been in the their office, i have used the computers that the website content is currently written on; i have even
personally witnessed vineeto writing some of that content. i can verify that, even setting all the content written by the (mostly) anonymous correspondents, the af website content and its statements is most certainly
not 'the masterpiece of a single writer'; there are definitely other people involved in all of this.
then again, maybe all those people whom i met (as well as all those people featured in the af trust's dvd's) were actors hired to play 'peter' and 'vineeto' and others whenever they were needed. but if you would go so far as to assume that, then why not assume that the 'richard' whom i met is played by an actor as well? heck, why not assume that the 'tarin' who is writing this post to you right now is also a fiction? maybe - just maybe - the 'luciano' who has been writing on the dho lately is actually another pseudonym for that same single writer, too? and maybe all this could be a dream...
a dream within a dream within a dream within a brain within a vat within a hot dog with mustard and fries.
Luciano de Noeme Imoto:
His book and semi biography (sic) are at most an attractive fantasy fiction, but a fiction at all, similar to L. Ron Hubbard, Carlos Castaneda and Paulo Coelho´s books. A “Third Alternative”, of course, into the dialectical approach.
[Note: In my experience it tends to be the more freaky ones (science fiction writers by example) that are the more innovative, the ones that stand out from the mold, but I am drifting off the point.]
you are likely not just drifting off your point but are losing touch with reality... but that is not all too surprising considering the books you here compare richard's journal to (which books you must have read in order for your claims of knowing about them to be even possibly sensible) are fiction about greater super-realities (where 'super-' here doesn't refer to 'greater' or 'beyond', but to 'upon', as in 'super-imposed'... on reality).
Luciano de Noeme Imoto:
your red herrings are red, and i have bigger fish to fry than to address every tenuous link you attempt to draw and specious point you attempt to make... though as you have invited readers here to peruse the 'actual freedom' yahoo mailing list, perhaps just one relevant link from there (containing a quote from one of your sources above) would be appropriate[8].
Luciano de Noeme Imoto:
I personally do not need to know every thing there is to know about Richard (surname withheld) and all that fast on-demand crop of AF claimants, for example, to realize that some of the things I am aware points to another direction – indoctrination - knowing what I do about their today. But again that is my personal view. You can take it or leave it.
duly noted... and rejected as an entirely unsubstantiated claim.
Luciano de Noeme Imoto:
About the “consciousness mutation” and “paradigm-shattering breakthrough” concepts, after you - better late than never - understand the human condition´s neurobiological mess inside your head ruling your thoughts and behaviors, it will be like to hit a Peak in Darien subjective and exceptional consciousness experience.
ah yes, a peak in darien: silent... thoughtless...
(utterly senseless...)
Luciano de Noeme Imoto:
In my case this was not a temporary and ephemeral conquer.
as the 'mutation of consciousness' you claim to be possible to achieve is arrived at via the '[dismantling of] the social identity', then whatever it is you have conquered (however temporary and ephemeral or permanent and enduring), it has nothing to do with an actual freedom from the human condition.
Luciano de Noeme Imoto:
So, to achieve an actual consciousness mutation as one consolidated “virtual freedom”, what you need is to understand our neurobiological bondage, both genetic and cultural inputted conditioning. However, that alleged “physiological mutation” into the human skull is an organic, rare and randomical reboot of the human brain due some unknown blind nature evolutionary mechanism. One which is debatable whether it would work to specie survival, but would most definitely not work to allow a commonsense discussion.
as the very premiss (of an organic, rare and randomical reboot of the human brain due to some unknown blind nature evolutionary mechanism) you put forth here as being 'debatable whether it would allow to specie survival' is entirely a figment of your imagination, i agree that it would most definitely not work to allow a commonsense discussion, since your premiss - being so far from common sense as to be entirely irreconcilable with it - is a fiction of the purest sort. (whether it turns out to be 'an attractive fantasy fiction' or a 'freaky science fiction' will depend on how your dismantled social identity writes it, due to, um... some unknown blind nature evolutionary mechanism.)
Luciano de Noeme Imoto:
Especially when people live in one false democracy ruled by gods and guns, I wonder what your rationale is for doing what you are doing …
To be fully aware of the human condition it is not recreation, it is not religion, it is not about marketing or appealing to what people enjoy. It is for people that walk in the door wanting to learn for real how to handle themselves in this dynamic and objective universe.
Don’t waste your time and investiment searching to be one more self-declared actually free person.
If you choose to ignore this advice, which you probably will, then here is some more.
hmm.. continuing to give unsolicited advice to people whom even you predict are choosing to ignore you? what an unusual way of 'not ... marketing'.
Luciano de Noeme Imoto:
The first thing you have to do is challenge your own beliefs at every level before you can even begin to change or influence the beliefs of others. You’ve got to develop objective criteria by which to judge everything you see within the human condition field. And this was not, is not and will be not easy.
Be your own worst critic.
such wise words ring hollow when their writer only writes them.
Luciano de Noeme Imoto:
Challenge yourself and chosen convictions from every angle. This allowed me to make radical changes and be somewhat “wild”. I have no vested interest in all the trappings of success. I’m just a happy and harmless guy to my peers.
it has recently come to my attention that you have put up another blog (starting from june this year), with much the same material as the website promoting the book you had for sale which contents you plagiarised from the af trust website, poorly translated, and claimed ownership of last year (the same site you took down and book you made unavailable in compliance with richard's cease-and-desist letter last october[9]). it has also come to my attention that three days ago (the day after my first post in this thread, in which i mentioned your old enterprise), this current blog of plagiarised and altered material became 'open to invited readers only' (thus effectively hiding its interpolated contents from the internet at large).
'radical changes', and 'no vested interest', hey?
tarin
[1]
Richard:
Here is but one more example of editorial meddling:
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• : ‘Apesar de todo este fascinante avanço tecnológico e desenvolvimento organizacional da espécie humana sobre este planeta, a Condição Humana permanece presente e visivel em dois fatores...
VIOLENCIA E AMARGURA
O próximo desafio e o mais crucial ao longo da história da espéce humana é trazer um fim ...’. (page 17; ‘Introdução’ (an RMC FlipBook); www.liberdadeatuante.com/).
: ‘Despite all this fascinating technological and organizational development of the human species on this planet, the human condition is present and visible on two factors ...
VIOLENCE AND BITTERNESS.
The next and most crucial challenge throughout the history of mankind is to bring an end ...’. [End Translation].
[’Introducing Actual Freedom’]: ‘Yet, despite the amazing technological advancements and organizational development of the human species on this planet, the Human Condition is still epitomized by two major factors ...
MALICE AND SORROW.
The next significant and timely challenge facing the human species is to bring an end ...’. actualfreedom.com.au/introduction/humanbeings.htm
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As it would be so simple to have written ‘malícia e tristeza’ (malice and sorrow) instead of ‘violencia e amargura’ (violence and bitterness) there could be more to this needless editorship than just poor translating skills ...
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http://actualfreedom.com.au/directorscorrespondence/04AMatterofTranslation.html)
[2]
http://br.groups.yahoo.com/group/voadores/message/83892
[3]
Luciano de Noeme Imoto:
Probably that ‘lizard-brain’ mutation out of its primeval state is to much randomic to be artificially achieved.
So, the Direct Route is a consciousness mutation instead.
In this context, the *actual* and complete (or perfect if you want) AF still to be claimed by another human being since Richard in 1992.
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http://dharmaoverground.org/web/guest/discussion/-/message_boards/message/1076056#_19_message_1119228)
Luciano de Noeme Imoto:
Be safe. Be sincere (i.e. don´t lie to yourself).
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http://dharmaoverground.org/web/guest/discussion/-/message_boards/message/1076056#_19_message_1119327)
Luciano de Noeme Imoto:
(...) if Tarin and others (including you, Trent, not exception) still in this frivolous claims, the one-eyed leading the blinds will remains.
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http://dharmaoverground.org/web/guest/discussion/-/message_boards/message/1119482#_19_message_1119482)
Luciano de Noeme Imoto:
Your "actual world" seems to be a stillness mind growing up from subjective experiences.
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http://dharmaoverground.org/web/guest/discussion/-/message_boards/message/1078599#_19_message_1089002)
[4] florian weps, a long-term dho member and moderator, posted this reply to you on the 29th june, 2010.
[5]
Richard:
As what you are telling the corespondents on that forum is that society generates the psyche – in effect that the social identity = the psyche when it does not – then it is quite possible that it is a poor understanding which gives rise to the poor translations.
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http://actualfreedom.com.au/directorscorrespondence/04AMatterofTranslation.html[6]
Luciano de Noeme Imoto:
After a randomic brain mutation process that suffered and delivered what he labeled by "Actual Freedom"... (...)
http://dharmaoverground.org/web/guest/discussion/-/message_boards/message/1147530#_19_message_1119600[7]
Luciano de Noeme Imoto:
AF is probably a randomic neurobiological mutation happened inside Richard and another fellow´s head/brain (see UG and Ms. Roberts).
(
http://dharmaoverground.org/web/guest/discussion/-/message_boards/message/1111974#_19_message_1111974)
and
Luciano de Noeme Imoto:
The labeled "Actual Freedom" seems to be similar to that Natural State achieved by Mr. Uppaluri Gopala Krishnamurti (aka U.G.) and the No-Self Path achieved by Ms. Bernadette Roberts. (...) So, the Third Alternative and its own lingo is a good way to show new things without all that old stuff from U.G. and Bernadette.
Nature is busy creating absolutely unique individuals, remember? Accidents happens ...
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http://dharmaoverground.org/web/guest/discussion/-/message_boards/message/1110107#_19_message_1110107)
[8]
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/actualfreedom/message/10051[9]
http://actualfreedom.com.au/directorscorrespondence/04AMatterofTranslation.html#29Oct09