How to Experience Cessation - Discussion
How to Experience Cessation
How to Experience Cessation | Jim Smith | 10/23/23 1:28 AM |
RE: How to Experience Cessation | Jim Smith | 12/19/23 8:37 PM |
RE: How to Experience Cessation | Chris M | 12/19/23 4:28 PM |
Jim Smith, modified 1 Year ago at 10/23/23 1:28 AM
Created 1 Year ago at 10/23/23 1:08 AM
How to Experience Cessation
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I am starting this thread as a place to discuss techniques or tricks to facilitate experiencing cessation. (By trick I mean "a quick or artful way of getting a result")
I don't want this to be a place for discussing stream-entry.
I will start off the thread describing the technique I use to experience cessation. I am motivated to do this because I think the way I do it is very easy and most people can replicate my experience. It is a little bit different from what I have read about in that it based on relaxation. If there is any trick to it, I think it would be the physical relaxation part.
The technique I use is described here:
https://ncu9nc.blogspot.com/2020/08/preparing-for-meditation-with.html
I start off with a technique for relaxing the muscles. I move each part of the body five or ten times: curl the toes, move the ankles, the knees, the thighs, twist the spine and curve it side to side and front to back, curl the fingers, flex the wrists, the elbows, the shoulders. Move the jaw open and closed, side to side, front to back, contract the cheeks, form an O with the lips, scrunch my eyes closed and open them wide etc.
The next part is easiest to do lying down but it can be done sitting in a chair or sitting on the floor. Sometimes I sit on the floor with my arms placed on a chair and I rest my head on my arms.
Then, I visualize the colors of the spectrum and say to myself the name an object of that color, a rose, an orange, a daffodil, green grass, blue sky, purple iris flowers (use whatever object is most helpful - fruits and vegetables work well).
Then I do an autogenic relaxation. I focus on each part of the body, saying it is relaxed and heavy, going through the toes, the instep, the ankles, the ball of the foot (or the pad), the arch, the heel, the calves, the hamstrings, the quadriceps, the groin muscles, the abdomen, chest, lower back, mid back upper back, the neck, the throat, the nape, the forehead, eyebrows, eyelids, eyes, nose, cheeks, lips, chin, jaws, ears, temples, crown.
I repeat the visualization and the autogenic relaxation alternating over and over.
The techniques, physical relaxation, visualization, and autogenic relaxation should be approached as forms of meditation, that will develop concentration during the session. Do them mindfully and if you get distracted gently return your attention to the technique. But don't turn them into an intense practice that gives you stress the point is to relax.
One of the helpful things about this technique is that you go through a series of easily recognizable stages so you can tell if you are making progress during the session. And if you don't make progress you know what stage you are stuck at and you know what technique you need to do more carefully.
The first stage is you notice feeling a wave of relaxation as you name the objects you are visualizing. I think this has something to do with being relaxed with the heartbeat and breath being synchronized. This feeling of relaxation increases with additional repetitions of the visualization exercise.
The next stage is you notice during the autogenic relaxation you feel tingling in some parts of the body. With successive repetitions more and more of the body feels tingling/numb and eventually the whole body does.
Then you feel a discrete change and it's like you are floating, or inside your head looking at the darkness behind your closed eyelids, disconnected somewhat from your body. You still feel you have a body but you still feel somewhat disconnected.
Sometimes this stage is clearly 5th jhana - infinite space but not all the time, sometimes it is just a feeling of floating.
At this stage you can keep repeating the visual and autogenic relaxation or you can just observe the breath or count the breath. If you count the breath don't do it in an intense suppressive what that creates tension. This stage should be done in a relaxing way.
The next stage is hard to explain it is related to the 7th and 8th jhana in the same way the floating feeling is related to the 5th jhana. There is a nothingness about it that is hard to describe.
After this stage cessation may occur. When I do this it can happen a few minutes after I lie down to start the visualizations. If it doesn't happen after a half hour and I have gone through all the stages I don't expect it to happen, and I go on to vipassana - observing the activity of the mind in meditation and daily life. If for some reason it take me more than 30 minutes to go through the stages preceeding cessation I might continue depending on the specifics of the situation.
But since there are discrete stages and you know the techniques that get you to each stage you can usually figure out what the problem is.
The most common problem I run into is I don't get the tingling feeling with the autogenic relaxation and that is usually because I skimped on the physical relaxation.
I usually recognize cessation because of several factors. I have mild tinnitus and it stops and restarts from the cessation, when it restarts it sounds like a tone. People describe cessation as your brain rebooting. It's like that. I feel the afterglow. This is not like piti or sukka. One way I describe it is like when you are watching a video of someone speaking and the words are not interrupted but the you can tell there was a cut because the image does not line up from one frame to the next. Going from the nothingness of the 7/8 jhana to cessation is kind of hard to notice - from one kind of nothing to another kind of nothing. So cessation is something I notice after the fact.
Multiple cessations in a session are not unusual. I am not aware of having experienced much duration, but I don't check a clock or have a way to tell how long the cessation lasted since I practice alone.
So that I my "easy technique for experiencing cessation". If there is any trick to it I would say the physical relaxation is important and approaching it as a relaxation exercise rather than an exercise in concentration might also play a role in making it easier.
I don't want this to be a place for discussing stream-entry.
I will start off the thread describing the technique I use to experience cessation. I am motivated to do this because I think the way I do it is very easy and most people can replicate my experience. It is a little bit different from what I have read about in that it based on relaxation. If there is any trick to it, I think it would be the physical relaxation part.
The technique I use is described here:
https://ncu9nc.blogspot.com/2020/08/preparing-for-meditation-with.html
I start off with a technique for relaxing the muscles. I move each part of the body five or ten times: curl the toes, move the ankles, the knees, the thighs, twist the spine and curve it side to side and front to back, curl the fingers, flex the wrists, the elbows, the shoulders. Move the jaw open and closed, side to side, front to back, contract the cheeks, form an O with the lips, scrunch my eyes closed and open them wide etc.
The next part is easiest to do lying down but it can be done sitting in a chair or sitting on the floor. Sometimes I sit on the floor with my arms placed on a chair and I rest my head on my arms.
Then, I visualize the colors of the spectrum and say to myself the name an object of that color, a rose, an orange, a daffodil, green grass, blue sky, purple iris flowers (use whatever object is most helpful - fruits and vegetables work well).
Then I do an autogenic relaxation. I focus on each part of the body, saying it is relaxed and heavy, going through the toes, the instep, the ankles, the ball of the foot (or the pad), the arch, the heel, the calves, the hamstrings, the quadriceps, the groin muscles, the abdomen, chest, lower back, mid back upper back, the neck, the throat, the nape, the forehead, eyebrows, eyelids, eyes, nose, cheeks, lips, chin, jaws, ears, temples, crown.
I repeat the visualization and the autogenic relaxation alternating over and over.
The techniques, physical relaxation, visualization, and autogenic relaxation should be approached as forms of meditation, that will develop concentration during the session. Do them mindfully and if you get distracted gently return your attention to the technique. But don't turn them into an intense practice that gives you stress the point is to relax.
One of the helpful things about this technique is that you go through a series of easily recognizable stages so you can tell if you are making progress during the session. And if you don't make progress you know what stage you are stuck at and you know what technique you need to do more carefully.
The first stage is you notice feeling a wave of relaxation as you name the objects you are visualizing. I think this has something to do with being relaxed with the heartbeat and breath being synchronized. This feeling of relaxation increases with additional repetitions of the visualization exercise.
The next stage is you notice during the autogenic relaxation you feel tingling in some parts of the body. With successive repetitions more and more of the body feels tingling/numb and eventually the whole body does.
Then you feel a discrete change and it's like you are floating, or inside your head looking at the darkness behind your closed eyelids, disconnected somewhat from your body. You still feel you have a body but you still feel somewhat disconnected.
Sometimes this stage is clearly 5th jhana - infinite space but not all the time, sometimes it is just a feeling of floating.
At this stage you can keep repeating the visual and autogenic relaxation or you can just observe the breath or count the breath. If you count the breath don't do it in an intense suppressive what that creates tension. This stage should be done in a relaxing way.
The next stage is hard to explain it is related to the 7th and 8th jhana in the same way the floating feeling is related to the 5th jhana. There is a nothingness about it that is hard to describe.
After this stage cessation may occur. When I do this it can happen a few minutes after I lie down to start the visualizations. If it doesn't happen after a half hour and I have gone through all the stages I don't expect it to happen, and I go on to vipassana - observing the activity of the mind in meditation and daily life. If for some reason it take me more than 30 minutes to go through the stages preceeding cessation I might continue depending on the specifics of the situation.
But since there are discrete stages and you know the techniques that get you to each stage you can usually figure out what the problem is.
The most common problem I run into is I don't get the tingling feeling with the autogenic relaxation and that is usually because I skimped on the physical relaxation.
I usually recognize cessation because of several factors. I have mild tinnitus and it stops and restarts from the cessation, when it restarts it sounds like a tone. People describe cessation as your brain rebooting. It's like that. I feel the afterglow. This is not like piti or sukka. One way I describe it is like when you are watching a video of someone speaking and the words are not interrupted but the you can tell there was a cut because the image does not line up from one frame to the next. Going from the nothingness of the 7/8 jhana to cessation is kind of hard to notice - from one kind of nothing to another kind of nothing. So cessation is something I notice after the fact.
Multiple cessations in a session are not unusual. I am not aware of having experienced much duration, but I don't check a clock or have a way to tell how long the cessation lasted since I practice alone.
So that I my "easy technique for experiencing cessation". If there is any trick to it I would say the physical relaxation is important and approaching it as a relaxation exercise rather than an exercise in concentration might also play a role in making it easier.
Jim Smith, modified 1 Year ago at 12/19/23 8:37 PM
Created 1 Year ago at 12/19/23 2:27 PM
RE: How to Experience Cessation
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The transitions into the (soft) jhanas have a distinct feel. In the sutras it is described like this: "He permeates and pervades, suffuses and fills this very body". Before I read that, before I ever heard the term jhana, I would describe it as feeling like a wave of relaxation going through the body. But it's not something that you would confuse with just being sleepy or falling asleep because you know when you are sleepy and in the case of the jhanas you are alert not sleepy.
I'm bringing this up because sometimes the differences between the (soft) jhanas are subtle and hard to recognize but you can measure your progress by counting transitions.
The fifth jhana will feel different from the first four in that even if you are not getting the full "infinite space" feeling because you don't have strong enough concentration, you can still recognize it because after one of these transitions you feel somewhat disconnected from your body, like you are floating, maybe floating inside your head, maybe looking at the darkness behind your closed eyelids. It is not simply sleepiness, after making this trasition I sometimes feel more alert than before the transition. Then subsequent transitions take you into subsequent jhanas which may also be hard to recognize, the 7/8 have a distinct flavor in that the nothingness aspect (an indicator the brain is quieting down to the point cessation may soon occur) can feel like non-attachment - if you are not used to this, it can seem irresponsible like you are letting go of everything including your responsibilities and the poses and attitudes that we put on, like the universe can go take a hike. At first it can seem nihilistic and for that reason seem unwholesome but that passes with familiarity - in time you realize non-attachment allows you to react to situations with compassion and reason rather than out of control emotions.
It might seem iffy to call these states soft jhanas but when you experience them in the same order in many meditation sessions and they preceed cessation, I don't know what else to call them, maybe "ultra soft jhana"? Jhana simply means "meditation".
The relevance to this thread is that after the 8th jhana, if you've been having transitions every few minutes, you feel the 5th jhana, and the 7/8 jhanas you can reasonably expect to experience cessation in a similar amount of time. Some people don't have a "big" experience when they experience cessation, they might not recognize it - in these cases the occurrence of the afterglow may be a better indicator.
UPDATE: Sorry I wrote in the first post this is not a thread for discussing stream entry, my bad.
I have not said this is stream-entry. For people who follow the doctrine that the first fruition is stream-entry this video by Daniel Ingram might be helpful:
https://vimeo.com/372228348
And so linguistically, I think of stream entry as a question of function. If it doesn't function like stream entry, well then pragmatically or practically, it's not stream entry, just like a burned out shell of a car is not a car. And so if whatever you think of a stream entry is not performing like stream entry should perform, with natural cycling, with rapid access to states, with hopefully repeat fruition, maybe even multiples, maybe even if you're lucky duration, and clear presentation of doors that eventually become easily distinguished from random state shifts or random formless realm things. Then, there's no point in calling that stream entry, because it's not doing what stream entry should do.
Personally, I do not advocate this view, I don't define stream-entry based on things that happen during meditation including fruition. I am only quoting this to make the point that even among those who do advocate fruition is stream entry, there are other factors that must be present also.
In case anyone is wondering why I would even make a thread on cessation if I don't think it is stream entry and if I don't think it is necessary - my reason is that I see many people focusing on it when I think they would be better off not making attaining it a goal - so if they get past it, they can move on to focus on more productive pursuits such as observing the three characteristics and dependent origination in the activity of their mind.
I should also add that in addition to what I wrote in my previous post, you can experience this using other meditation techniques, one simple one is meditating on the breath, relaxing and noticing the breath going in and out through the tip of the nose. I think the technique I described in the previous post is easier but some people might prefer a more traditional meditation technique.
I do think cessation can be helpful in a meditation and mindfulness practice, the afterglow is a good state from which to practice vipassana in meditation and daily life. The mind is tranquil so one can more easily notice dukkha arising, the effects of identity view arising, as well as all other types of mental activity.
I'm bringing this up because sometimes the differences between the (soft) jhanas are subtle and hard to recognize but you can measure your progress by counting transitions.
The fifth jhana will feel different from the first four in that even if you are not getting the full "infinite space" feeling because you don't have strong enough concentration, you can still recognize it because after one of these transitions you feel somewhat disconnected from your body, like you are floating, maybe floating inside your head, maybe looking at the darkness behind your closed eyelids. It is not simply sleepiness, after making this trasition I sometimes feel more alert than before the transition. Then subsequent transitions take you into subsequent jhanas which may also be hard to recognize, the 7/8 have a distinct flavor in that the nothingness aspect (an indicator the brain is quieting down to the point cessation may soon occur) can feel like non-attachment - if you are not used to this, it can seem irresponsible like you are letting go of everything including your responsibilities and the poses and attitudes that we put on, like the universe can go take a hike. At first it can seem nihilistic and for that reason seem unwholesome but that passes with familiarity - in time you realize non-attachment allows you to react to situations with compassion and reason rather than out of control emotions.
It might seem iffy to call these states soft jhanas but when you experience them in the same order in many meditation sessions and they preceed cessation, I don't know what else to call them, maybe "ultra soft jhana"? Jhana simply means "meditation".
The relevance to this thread is that after the 8th jhana, if you've been having transitions every few minutes, you feel the 5th jhana, and the 7/8 jhanas you can reasonably expect to experience cessation in a similar amount of time. Some people don't have a "big" experience when they experience cessation, they might not recognize it - in these cases the occurrence of the afterglow may be a better indicator.
UPDATE: Sorry I wrote in the first post this is not a thread for discussing stream entry, my bad.
I have not said this is stream-entry. For people who follow the doctrine that the first fruition is stream-entry this video by Daniel Ingram might be helpful:
https://vimeo.com/372228348
In case anyone is wondering why I would even make a thread on cessation if I don't think it is stream entry and if I don't think it is necessary - my reason is that I see many people focusing on it when I think they would be better off not making attaining it a goal - so if they get past it, they can move on to focus on more productive pursuits such as observing the three characteristics and dependent origination in the activity of their mind.
I should also add that in addition to what I wrote in my previous post, you can experience this using other meditation techniques, one simple one is meditating on the breath, relaxing and noticing the breath going in and out through the tip of the nose. I think the technique I described in the previous post is easier but some people might prefer a more traditional meditation technique.
I do think cessation can be helpful in a meditation and mindfulness practice, the afterglow is a good state from which to practice vipassana in meditation and daily life. The mind is tranquil so one can more easily notice dukkha arising, the effects of identity view arising, as well as all other types of mental activity.
Chris M, modified 1 Year ago at 12/19/23 4:28 PM
Created 1 Year ago at 12/19/23 3:57 PM
RE: How to Experience Cessation
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I think the other active thread about cessation now on DhO is worth a read in the context of this thread. Together they make a nice couple:
https://www.dharmaoverground.org/discussion/-/message_boards/view_message/26372609#_com_liferay_message_boards_web_portlet_MBPortlet_message_26372609
https://www.dharmaoverground.org/discussion/-/message_boards/view_message/26372609#_com_liferay_message_boards_web_portlet_MBPortlet_message_26372609