I think I had stream entry - Discussion
I think I had stream entry
Zbigniew Delikowski, modifié il y a 4 mois at 22/05/24 15:10
Created 4 mois ago at 22/05/24 15:10
I think I had stream entry
Publications: 3 Date d'inscription: 23/04/24 Publications Récentes
Hi, this will be quick
After spending ~20 hours straight in Jhanas and having a quick cessation, I had a weird change. My experience became impersonal. There is no "I" anymore. "I" just see everything in the mind as just happening causally, naturally occurring phenomena, without any person inside. There is still sometimes clinging to some experience tho, so I am not sure this is stream entry. It happened a week ago, and for now it seems very stable. How to verify what this experience actually is?
After spending ~20 hours straight in Jhanas and having a quick cessation, I had a weird change. My experience became impersonal. There is no "I" anymore. "I" just see everything in the mind as just happening causally, naturally occurring phenomena, without any person inside. There is still sometimes clinging to some experience tho, so I am not sure this is stream entry. It happened a week ago, and for now it seems very stable. How to verify what this experience actually is?
Pawel K, modifié il y a 4 mois at 22/05/24 16:15
Created 4 mois ago at 22/05/24 16:15
RE: I think I had stream entry
Publications: 1172 Date d'inscription: 22/02/20 Publications Récentes
You will need to give it more time.
It sounds pretty great as far as these things go.
Also I would recommend not pushing for any 'verification' yet.
Keep the good practice but not overdo it.
It sounds pretty great as far as these things go.
Also I would recommend not pushing for any 'verification' yet.
Keep the good practice but not overdo it.
Matt Jon Rousseau, modifié il y a 4 mois at 22/05/24 18:08
Created 4 mois ago at 22/05/24 18:03
RE: I think I had stream entry
Publications: 243 Date d'inscription: 01/05/22 Publications RécentesDream Walker, modifié il y a 4 mois at 22/05/24 23:33
Created 4 mois ago at 22/05/24 23:33
RE: I think I had stream entry
Publications: 1770 Date d'inscription: 18/01/12 Publications RécentesZbigniew Delikowski
Hi, this will be quick
How to verify what this experience actually is?
Hi, this will be quick
How to verify what this experience actually is?
Perhaps you might read old posts here and compare.
~D
shargrol, modifié il y a 4 mois at 23/05/24 07:39
Created 4 mois ago at 23/05/24 07:39
RE: I think I had stream entry
Publications: 2654 Date d'inscription: 08/02/16 Publications Récentes
Your previous posts were very concerning (Hardcore meditation induced psychosis and suicidal tendencies - Discussion - www.dharmaoverground.org), I hope you are doing better now.
Matt Jon Rousseau, modifié il y a 4 mois at 23/05/24 16:10
Created 4 mois ago at 23/05/24 16:10
RE: I think I had stream entry
Publications: 243 Date d'inscription: 01/05/22 Publications Récentes
I believe you might have a dissociation or a de realization disorder. Possibly meditation induced or underlying problem. I COULD BE WRONG. Your doctor needs to know your meditating 20 hours a day. See what he says. That type of sensory deprivation can make somebody crazy
Papa Che Dusko, modifié il y a 4 mois at 23/05/24 19:57
Created 4 mois ago at 23/05/24 19:57
RE: I think I had stream entry
Publications: 3040 Date d'inscription: 01/03/20 Publications Récentes
Strat a log here on DhO and log your daily meditation for the next 6 months. Then ask folks here to give you their opinion
Adi Vader, modifié il y a 4 mois at 25/05/24 06:08
Created 4 mois ago at 25/05/24 06:08
RE: I think I had stream entry
Publications: 355 Date d'inscription: 29/06/20 Publications Récentes
Please do very systematic vipashyana.
Make the movements of the breath at the abdomen your grounding object.
When a secondary object (distraction) exerts a pull on attention, permit attention to track it till it ends. Simply knowing sounds as sounds, thoughts as thoughts etc.
Do a few one hour sessions and write about what you observe as happens with the secondary object, attention, and knowing.
For each session give a description in your writing in simple lucid plain 'street' language.
Avoid words like anp, dukkha nana, fruitions etc like the anathema. No meditation language, only street english.
Simple, empirical, un-embellished language.
If during the course of one hour you feel excited, sad, energized, confident etc then write that.
Basis such detailing you will get excellent feedback
Make the movements of the breath at the abdomen your grounding object.
When a secondary object (distraction) exerts a pull on attention, permit attention to track it till it ends. Simply knowing sounds as sounds, thoughts as thoughts etc.
Do a few one hour sessions and write about what you observe as happens with the secondary object, attention, and knowing.
For each session give a description in your writing in simple lucid plain 'street' language.
Avoid words like anp, dukkha nana, fruitions etc like the anathema. No meditation language, only street english.
Simple, empirical, un-embellished language.
If during the course of one hour you feel excited, sad, energized, confident etc then write that.
Basis such detailing you will get excellent feedback
brian patrick, modifié il y a 2 mois at 11/07/24 13:40
Created 2 mois ago at 11/07/24 13:40
RE: I think I had stream entry
Publications: 71 Date d'inscription: 31/10/23 Publications RécentesZbigniew Delikowski
Hi, this will be quick
After spending ~20 hours straight in Jhanas and having a quick cessation, I had a weird change. My experience became impersonal. There is no "I" anymore. "I" just see everything in the mind as just happening causally, naturally occurring phenomena, without any person inside. There is still sometimes clinging to some experience tho, so I am not sure this is stream entry. It happened a week ago, and for now it seems very stable. How to verify what this experience actually is?
Hi, this will be quick
After spending ~20 hours straight in Jhanas and having a quick cessation, I had a weird change. My experience became impersonal. There is no "I" anymore. "I" just see everything in the mind as just happening causally, naturally occurring phenomena, without any person inside. There is still sometimes clinging to some experience tho, so I am not sure this is stream entry. It happened a week ago, and for now it seems very stable. How to verify what this experience actually is?
totally understandable to want to "know" but if this is stream entry it won't go anywhere and verifying it is, won't help the process play out.
Matt Jon Rousseau, modifié il y a 2 mois at 11/07/24 18:24
Created 2 mois ago at 11/07/24 18:24
RE: I think I had stream entry
Publications: 243 Date d'inscription: 01/05/22 Publications RécentesMatt Jon Rousseau, modifié il y a 24 jours at 04/09/24 03:48
Created 24 jours ago at 04/09/24 03:48
RE: I think I had stream entry
Publications: 243 Date d'inscription: 01/05/22 Publications Récentes
If someone is prone to disassociation or de- realization . Meditation can make it worse . Please read his other post.
John L, modifié il y a 23 jours at 04/09/24 20:28
Created 23 jours ago at 04/09/24 20:28
RE: I think I had stream entry
Publications: 41 Date d'inscription: 26/03/24 Publications RécentesChris M, modifié il y a 23 jours at 05/09/24 07:45
Created 23 jours ago at 05/09/24 07:45
RE: I think I had stream entry
Publications: 5404 Date d'inscription: 26/01/13 Publications Récentes
They were indeed bots, so now they and their comments are gone, gone, gone. Thank you for the head's up!
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