Skipping into 5th

A Dietrich Ringle, שונה לפני 3 שנים at 12:21 17/05/21
Created 3 שנים ago at 12:21 17/05/21

Skipping into 5th

פרסומים: 881 תאריך הצטרפות: 04/12/11 פרסומים אחרונים
I am having some trouble. It seems I am locked in to some kind of psychosis. I can ride the jhanic arc by repeating the word "renunciation" but then the whole thing stalls if I try for 5th.
​​​​​​​I don't really have the desire to hang out in 4th but sometimes that's the only option I have and the liminal spaces are opening up. Scary
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Pawel K, שונה לפני 3 שנים at 16:41 18/05/21
Created 3 שנים ago at 16:41 18/05/21

RE: Skipping into 5th

פרסומים: 1172 תאריך הצטרפות: 22/02/20 פרסומים אחרונים
Concentrate on the object and treat anything else as distraction.
If you have time wondering what jhana you are in and how it feels then this isn't good concentration practice.
Not that jhanas cannot be done differently but you still need to have sufficiently good concentration so concentrate.
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Dream Walker, שונה לפני 3 שנים at 05:55 19/05/21
Created 3 שנים ago at 05:55 19/05/21

RE: Skipping into 5th

פרסומים: 1759 תאריך הצטרפות: 18/01/12 פרסומים אחרונים
So you are using a mantra of "renunciation" to get concentrated. Maybe that takes you to 4th or not, but to construct 5th jhana you need to stop the mantra and focus on spaciousness. Chill more and feel into space.
Good luck
~D
A Dietrich Ringle, שונה לפני 3 שנים at 11:30 19/05/21
Created 3 שנים ago at 11:30 19/05/21

RE: Skipping into 5th

פרסומים: 881 תאריך הצטרפות: 04/12/11 פרסומים אחרונים
Thank you for responding!
A Dietrich Ringle, שונה לפני 3 שנים at 15:02 19/05/21
Created 3 שנים ago at 15:02 19/05/21

RE: Skipping into 5th

פרסומים: 881 תאריך הצטרפות: 04/12/11 פרסומים אחרונים
I am reluctant to say this but I am quite dependent on Ativan to maintain my equinimity. Maybe not but rational self says yes.

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